Anyone who takes offence at me writing in this way, please accept my apologies, but there is no other way that I can convey my rage and contempt for Farage, Lowe and their like.
Great piece highlighting the massive - but deliberate - misleading figures in a vain attempt to try and make their divisive point.
The good people of Thanet are not so gullible though having elected the Green candidate over Reform in a council by-election due to the resignation of their Reform predecessor.
So not all bad - with the odd chink of light to encourage us...!!!
This should be reported on BBC 2 Newsnight. Victoria Darbyshire would make sure the full facts are given. Unfortunately, I don't think many reform enthusiasts are likely to watch this program.
>They produced a much more balanced report showing that skilled workers on visas who entered in 2022 and 23 are estimated to contribute a net £47bn over their lifetimes,
Fine, let's keep the ones who're net positive.
> and that while others may cost the UK treasury in the long term,
Then we must reduce those costs. Foreigners shouldn't cost the British state. No access to benefits or affordable housing. If they want NHS treatment, they should pay for it unless they've paid enough in income tax and national insurance.
> there are “positive spillover effects.”
That's reads like bullshitting and motivated thinking to me. They wanted to come to a pro-immigrant conclusion, so they did.
The positive spillover effects have to do with the crucial (but admittedly difficult to properly account for) value migrants often contribute to deprived sectors.
If a migrant comes here and works in social care or the NHS, they may not pay a huge amount back in taxes – because those jobs aren't that lucrative. But they'll be doing essential work that does give back into the system more broadly. Worthy of acknowledgement imo.
Or, as I wrote, a lot of them can also be victims of humanitarian crises that the British public (at the time at least) wanted to support.
Bigger point here is that this report from Reform is the ultimate exercise in "bullshitting and motivated reasoning" – they've made their own migrant earnings data up.
If only everybody would read this!
Most Reform supporters can't read anyway and even those who can would say it's all lies by the Leftists
'Grifter'
'Boriswaver'
Far too polite to be abusive.
Cuntservative - that's more like it.
Anyone who takes offence at me writing in this way, please accept my apologies, but there is no other way that I can convey my rage and contempt for Farage, Lowe and their like.
Great piece highlighting the massive - but deliberate - misleading figures in a vain attempt to try and make their divisive point.
The good people of Thanet are not so gullible though having elected the Green candidate over Reform in a council by-election due to the resignation of their Reform predecessor.
So not all bad - with the odd chink of light to encourage us...!!!
Excellent. Clear and comprehensive.
This should be reported on BBC 2 Newsnight. Victoria Darbyshire would make sure the full facts are given. Unfortunately, I don't think many reform enthusiasts are likely to watch this program.
My other suggestion is the Daily Mirror
REFORM/BREXIT/UKIP ARE LIARS. IT IS IDIOTIC TO TRUST LIARS. TRUMP IS AN AWFUL EXAMPLE, SUPPORTED BY REFORMAGE.
Farage Speak: how to be an out and out white supremist without say racism!
>They produced a much more balanced report showing that skilled workers on visas who entered in 2022 and 23 are estimated to contribute a net £47bn over their lifetimes,
Fine, let's keep the ones who're net positive.
> and that while others may cost the UK treasury in the long term,
Then we must reduce those costs. Foreigners shouldn't cost the British state. No access to benefits or affordable housing. If they want NHS treatment, they should pay for it unless they've paid enough in income tax and national insurance.
> there are “positive spillover effects.”
That's reads like bullshitting and motivated thinking to me. They wanted to come to a pro-immigrant conclusion, so they did.
The positive spillover effects have to do with the crucial (but admittedly difficult to properly account for) value migrants often contribute to deprived sectors.
If a migrant comes here and works in social care or the NHS, they may not pay a huge amount back in taxes – because those jobs aren't that lucrative. But they'll be doing essential work that does give back into the system more broadly. Worthy of acknowledgement imo.
Or, as I wrote, a lot of them can also be victims of humanitarian crises that the British public (at the time at least) wanted to support.
Bigger point here is that this report from Reform is the ultimate exercise in "bullshitting and motivated reasoning" – they've made their own migrant earnings data up.